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Old 06-29-2009, 09:53 PM   #11
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Jeff Gordon would be a no body without Rick Hendrick period. When it came to open wheel and dirt tracking he was a marginal talent. Even in the Busch series he was so-so, but Mr. Hendrick put him in his car and turned him into a super star...Jimmie Johnson too.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:23 AM   #12
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Jeff Gordon would be a no body without Rick Hendrick period. When it came to open wheel and dirt tracking he was a marginal talent. Even in the Busch series he was so-so, but Mr. Hendrick put him in his car and turned him into a super star...Jimmie Johnson too.
I think Jeff Gordon had something to do with that also. Tim Richmond, Terry Labonte, Ricky Rudd, Ken Schrader, Darrell Waltrip, all drove for Rick Hendrick too. Jeff Gordon was the best. It takes a whole lot of things to make a great race team. Those other drivers are no slouches but in Hendrick equipment Jeff was the one.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:07 PM   #13
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I think Jeff Gordon had something to do with that also. Tim Richmond, Terry Labonte, Ricky Rudd, Ken Schrader, Darrell Waltrip, all drove for Rick Hendrick too. Jeff Gordon was the best. It takes a whole lot of things to make a great race team. Those other drivers are no slouches but in Hendrick equipment Jeff was the one.
Rick Hendrick also wasn't the supreme power in Nascar when those guys were driving for him. Hendrick's equipment came to power just as Gordon was coming into Cup. He came in at just the right time. They guy has never won with anyone else. He couldn't win in World of Outlaws, was average in Busch, and when put up against the best in the world in an equal car he sucked in IROC competition.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:10 PM   #14
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Rick Hendrick also wasn't the supreme power in Nascar when those guys were driving for him. Hendrick's equipment came to power just as Gordon was coming into Cup. He came in at just the right time. They guy has never won with anyone else. He couldn't win in World of Outlaws, was average in Busch, and when put up against the best in the world in an equal car he sucked in IROC competition.
Hendrick Motorsports won 32 races before Gordon even got brought in. Hendricks drivers had 15 top 10 finishes in points combined between 1986-1991.
Pretty powerful for those times. Multicar teams didn't exist back then.

Having raced Quarter Midgets since the age of five, Gordon racked up a pair of titles in 1979 and '81, beating competition as old as 17. Before he was old enough to drive on public streets, Gordon attained four champion*ships in go-karts and had won races in the All Star Circuit of Champions Sprint Car series.

At 16, he became the youngest recipient of a United States Auto Club competitor's license. In 1989, Gordon won races in three USAC open-wheel divisions, graduated from high school with a B average, and became a full-time race car driver.

In 1990, at age 19, Gordon won nine of 21 starts in USAC's rugged Midget division, and became its youngest champion. He also dabbled in World of Outlaws Sprint Car competition, the nation's leading organization for the free-wheeling Sprints. By '91, Gordon had won USAC's Silver Crown title, winning major events at Phoenix and at Indianapolis' one-mile dirt track.

I believe he raced in Worlds Of Outlaws for one year.
But we can certainly see he could win in alot of other stuff.

1991 Busch Series Rookie Of The Year.
1992 Finished fourth in points with 3 wins (Busch Series)
1993 Rookie of the Year in Cup

Inducted into the National Midget Auto Racing Hall Of Fame.

As far as IROC goes, there have been a ton of great drivers that haven't faired well in IROC. Gordon hasn't done that bad in IROC.
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:18 PM   #15
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You're fooling yourself if you think Hendrick's cars haven't been better than the compition from 1995-now than they were prior to 1995. If you believe that then you're like 20 and have only been watching racing since 1995.

Where was Rainbow Pride in when he races on dirt and again what about equal equipment when he races against the other best in the world? He couldn't cut it. Period.
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Old 06-30-2009, 09:48 PM   #16
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You're fooling yourself if you think Hendrick's cars haven't been better than the compition from 1995-now than they were prior to 1995. If you believe that then you're like 20 and have only been watching racing since 1995.

Where was Rainbow Pride in when he races on dirt and again what about equal equipment when he races against the other best in the world? He couldn't cut it. Period.
From 1995-2002 Hendrick drivers had 9 wins combined not including Jeff Gordon.
Jeff Gordon had 56 wins in the same equipment. In 2002 when Jimmie Johnson came aboard things started to change. So I believe you are fooling yourself thinking you know anything about Nascar history...By the way I am 38 years old and obviously know way more about Nascar then you. You should look at the history before you spew this garbage. You are very uninformed.

This is too easy obviously you just like to disagree with everything. That is ok. It is your right.

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Old 07-01-2009, 01:22 PM   #17
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Please show me who those drivers were again... Craven, Nemechek, Vickers, older than dirt and over the hill Texas Terry, yeah no thanks. Jeff Gordon was the only quality driver then too. His equipment, crew cheif, and pit crew were easily the supreme in the business.

Without Hendrick and his team Jeff Gordon would be just another ho-hum very talented driver with 16-25 wins. He wouldn't have anything close to his 80 wins.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:10 PM   #18
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Please show me who those drivers were again... Craven, Nemechek, Vickers, older than dirt and over the hill Texas Terry, yeah no thanks. Jeff Gordon was the only quality driver then too. His equipment, crew cheif, and pit crew were easily the supreme in the business.

Without Hendrick and his team Jeff Gordon would be just another ho-hum very talented driver with 16-25 wins. He wouldn't have anything close to his 80 wins.
Texas Terry won the Championship in 1996 not bad for an old man. By the way he was 39 years old. Over the hill? Earnhardt was 49 when he was second in points. Mark Martin is 51 and still going strong.

At least you admit Jeff Gordon was a quality driver...so what's the problem?

Ray Evernham was a rookie Crew Chief with Gordon. It was a brand new team. It wasn't like he was handed a top team...c'mon this is ridiculous.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:32 PM   #19
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Texas Terry won the Championship in 1996 not bad for an old man. By the way he was 39 years old. Over the hill? Earnhardt was 49 when he was second in points. Mark Martin is 51 and still going strong.

At least you admit Jeff Gordon was a quality driver...so what's the problem?

Ray Evernham was a rookie Crew Chief with Gordon. It was a brand new team. It wasn't like he was handed a top team...c'mon this is ridiculous.

Don't give me the age thing because different drivers fall off differently just like athletes in any other sport. You gave me the 1995-2002 window and 1996 is just one season. He was well over the hill before 2002 you could visible see his steady decline. If it were all one age Bobby Allison would have been as great as he was for as long as he was. Mark Martin is a different bread and in great shape, oh and he has the best equipment in the sport by far.

He is a quality driver, but he wouldn't be the legand he is today without Rick Hendrick. Rookie or not he's one of the best crew cheifs of the last 20 years. He was handed a top team. It doesn't matter if they were new or not maybe Rick didn't intend to hand him everything, but he did. Its all about performance and results, and Gordon's team was consistantly the best are changes, fastest pit stops, best pit strategy, and best prepared equipment in the sport.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:40 PM   #20
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Don't give me the age thing because different drivers fall off differently just like athletes in any other sport. You gave me the 1995-2002 window and 1996 is just one season. He was well over the hill before 2002 you could visible see his steady decline. If it were all one age Bobby Allison would have been as great as he was for as long as he was. Mark Martin is a different bread and in great shape, oh and he has the best equipment in the sport by far.

He is a quality driver, but he wouldn't be the legand he is today without Rick Hendrick. Rookie or not he's one of the best crew cheifs of the last 20 years. He was handed a top team. It doesn't matter if they were new or not maybe Rick didn't intend to hand him everything, but he did. Its all about performance and results, and Gordon's team was consistantly the best are changes, fastest pit stops, best pit strategy, and best prepared equipment in the sport.
Right! and...

Name me a top driver that didn't have great equipment. That is always part of what makes them great. Every one of them. (Maybe Kulwicki)
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